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and we're starting this hour with the wrangling on capitol hill over the fiscal cliff. we're just 31 days until the deadline which could potentially trigger $7 trillion in automatic spending cuts and tax increases. both republicans and democrats are at a standoff. they are each blaming the other side for holding up the process, but republican congressman terry lee says that by going over the cliff the president may have an ulterior motive. >> many of us fear that the president's real plan here was to let us go over the cliff and blame the republicans, and that's what we look like we're being set up to do, and then if you go over the cliff, then two months later, a month later, the president can come back with a bill and say, hey, we're going to now since the republicans let everyone's taxes go up, i'm going to ride in here now and be the -- the knight in shining armor and lower the taxes on the lower two brackets. >> it is a case that is sparking painful reminders of trayvon martin, another florida teenager shot to death in an incident that has racial overtones. i'm talking about jordan d
>> i am melissa francis. >> i am lori rothman. so much for progress on the fiscal cliff talks. at least for today. progress getting a fever pitch as john boehner says white house needs to get serious. senate majority leader harry reid says he is waiting for a serious offer from republicans. so there you can see the stock market slightly higher, reacting to every last word coming out of capitol hill. now the dow was higher, but off of the best levels of the session as we make progress. melissa arizona is the latest state to refuse the exchange. we will bring on judge andrew napolitano to talk about this one. lori: "time" magazine announcing it candidate for person of the year. wait until you hear who the candidates are. we will handicap the list with lou dobbs. melissa stocks as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides standing by. stocks are losing sseam as house speaker john boehner took the podium although they have recovered a bit. nicole: is difficult to monitor which way and guess which way the market will go as each headline process crosses, we'reg the market being star
secretary headed to capitol hill for fiscal cliff negotiations. as for bloomberg silicon valley index, it ended up, as well. getting back to daily deals, there is a business that is troubled and another company, living social. it just laid off about 400 employees, roughly 10 percent of its total work force. this comes after amazon took $169 million write down last quarter in it's stake. >>> we've seen scattered showers throughout the day but only the beginning of what is to come. >> some in is little bit of a lull. >> absolutely. that is going to spell trouble. winds over the higher terrain, gusting 40-50 miles an hour. here is a live picture. you can see a wet and windy scene there. the vein steady in the north bay. i want to show you live doppler 7-hd. you will see it's pretty widespread. let me take you in closer and shoe you where it is range from ukiah down to cloverdale. the rain ahead of the storm down to street level. river road, fountain grove parkway, rainfall right now but it's light. stronger winds are coming for the morning. rain continues on saturday and stormy condition
on the economy specifically right how giving the looming fiscal cliff. so i suggest -- or i imagine they will discuss that, as well. but do we expect anything larger to come out of this? the white house is managing expectations saying there is really no agenda for this luncheon. it's really to bury the hatchet and to allow the country to move on, as well. >> right now, though, we do know treasury secretary tim geithner as we were telling everyone was on the hill, these marathon meetings with congressional leaders. what more do we know about those meetings? obviously starting off with some of the harder ones at first bhak through nancy pelosi as his last. >> we know the treasury secretary will be heading to the hill with rob nabors. he will be meeting with all of these congressional leaders separately. starting off -- or including house speaker john boehner. of course boehner will be key to moving the needle on these fiscal cliff negotiations. this comes on the heels of a phone call between president obama and speaker boehner which occurred credit. my sources are telling me the phone
about the u.s. economy. i think consumers are where it's at. we just got to get over this fiscal cliff thing. >> jonathan capehart. >> i learned president morsi of egypt is fanatical about "planet of the apes." >> that is really all you need to know. jonathan, thank you so much. rana, steve, michael and everybody, thank you for watching today. if it's "way too early," it's "morning joe." chuck todd is next with "the daily rundown." >>> together again. mitt romney makes his way to the white house. it's not exactly the way he wanted to get there. but can something constructive come out of a private lunch between president obama and the man he defeated just three weeks ago? that's right. that was just three weeks ago. >>> also this morning, a deep dive into america's longest war. look into lessons learned and the sacrifices made by troops at one combat outpost. tell us about what's been accomplished and what's not in more than a decade of fighting. as the country wakes up obsessed with numbers and winners, for the lottery, that, we've got a very important update on the election night numb
backdrop to make his case to the american people about the fiscal cliff. yesterday treasury secretary tim geithner presented an offer to the congressional leaders including the stipulation that taxes go up on the wealthy. the headlines tell the story. "the washington post" wrote, "obama offers plan for cliff, not compromise." "the new york times." "gop balks at white house plan on fiscal crisis." and "the wall street journal," obama's cliff offer spurned. i want to bring in joanne reed and molly ball, political reporter for "the atlantic." good to see both of you. good morning. >> good to be here. >> mitch mcconnell, we are told, literally laughed at the white house's offer. and if you listen to speaker boehner, it's not going very well. take a listen. >> i'm disappointed in where we are and disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> and the speaker tweeted, "how serious is the white house about avoiding the fi
" at 7:00, it's now 5:00 a.m. in the east. first 33 days until we reach the fiscal cliff and things are heating up on capitol hill. tim geithner, the chief fiscal cliff negotiator will meet with congressional leaders in an effort to get talks moving. there's no time to waste because there may be 33 days to get a deal done, but congress breaks for the holiday. that happens in just 15 days. white house correspondent dan lothian is live from washington this morning. dan, that clock is ticking louder and louder what is the very latest? i hear there are one-on-one meetings happening today. >> that's right. these are the president himself not sitting down and talking with lawmakers, but timothy geithner will be on capitol hill and other senior level members of the administration trying to hammer something out here. this is a complicated process. so far it does not appear the two sides have gotten closer. that's why you see the president pushing hard, first of all through social media, trying to get americans out there to pass the message along, put pressure on lawmakers to get this middle
on, that's the fiscal cliff. i want to have you on because i trust in you. thank you, kent conrad. >>> coming up, hot new evidence the republicans have learned nada, nothing, from the election they just lost. yesterday you saw the all-white republican chairmanships in the house of representatives. today's story, the marquee name for the republican party next year ken, cuccinelli, a real winger. wait until you catch his decisions on all kinds of issues affecting women, immigrants, everybody. >>> welcome back to "hardball." it appears republicans have learned few, if any, lessons from the election they just had. and as we said last night, a party that lost overwhelmingly among women, latinos, and african-americans will have house chairmen that all look like those guys. now, the chief strategist of romney's campaign, stu stevens, is describing why he lost. he wrote in "the washington post" today, quote, there was a time not so long ago when the problems of the democratic party revolved around being too liberal and too dependent on minorities. obama turned those problems into advantag
in the fiscal cliff debate. also earns him a meeting today with the current treasury secretary, tim geithner. cnn's kate ballolduan on capito hill, day 33, eek, 33 days, tim geithner kicking into this process. we would assume possibly pushing into high gear or more of a photo op or a little bit of both? >> reporter: it remains to be seen. i hate having to say that for our viewers, but we're waiting to hear exactly what comes out of these meetings. important, nonetheless, because these are face-to-face meetings with principle players, timothy guide next the treasury secretary, tapped by the president to be the point person to spearhead the negotiations with congress over these fiscal cliff negotiations. we had had a brief shot of him arriving this morning as he was coming into the capitol. he's being joined by rob neighbors, the white house liaison to congress. he's a man that has long standing relationships with folks on capitol hill. series of meetings, all individual meetings, senator reid, told by my colleagues he's in a meeting with house speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell, top rep
stories trending. kansas city tragedy. the new push for israel settlement plans. fiscal cliff blame. nasa's decision on doomsday 2012. . and kim kardashian sparks a proprotest. >>> we have new chilling details in the tragedy that stuns kansas city. they are prepping for gameday just 20 24 hours after a suicide. tom chong is live where this tragic story ended. tom, good day to you. there what's it like there? >> reporter: it is subdued. we stopped at the tailgating activities. there is tailgating going on but the mood is heavy. just 24 hours ago when belcher pulled out a gun is and shot himself. that event left this team in shock. shots rang out at this home, the victim 22-year-old cassandra perkins. >> when we arrived a lady came out and said her daughter had been shot by -- she died a short time later. belcher shot perkins following an argument. the two were parents of a 3-month-old baby. just 10 minutes after the murder, belcher was next to the stadium with a gun talking to his coach and general manager. he thanked them for what they did for him. then pulled the trigger. >> as off
the fiscal cliff? >> everybody agrees. >> going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and will hurt job creation in our country. >>er -- every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. >> shepard: so how to avoid that. >> the president and congress will either fail together or we will succeed together. >> there has to be a deal. there has to be an agreement. >> and if they can't come up with a compromise, we are all going to pay the price. plus, they are some of the biggest names in baseball. bonds, clemens, sosa. all three tainted by accusations they used performance enhancing drugs. but should that keep them from cooper's town? tonight, the great debate over baseball's hall of fame ballot but first from fox this wednesday night, the president hopes who have the framework of a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff by christmas. president obama says he would like congress to pass a bill even sooner to extend tax cuts for the middle class families. and he invited some of those middle class americans to the white house today to help make
, 27 days until the fiscal cliff. and i know you know that already, but guess what, folks? the deadline for congress and the white house to act, to stop the tax increase and punishing spending cuts, that deadline is coming up quicker than you may realize because did you know, congress plans to end its current session on december 21st? check your calendar as we did today. that's two weeks from friday. that means that under congressional rules any agreement, any legislation to fix this whole mess would have to be filed here by december 28th. here's the kicker. the president currently plans to leave town the day before that, on the 17th of this month. so the yearly obama trip to hawaii is set to start a week from next monday. you feel me here? see where i'm going? the window closing faster than folks think. what are our decisionmakers doing right now? among other things they are apparently sending signals through the media. republicans saying time to get moving. the president saying there is a deal to be had fairly quickly if the republicans come around to raising taxes on the wealthy. let
questions about the fiscal cliff on twitter, and with less than a month to go, the white house dispatched treasury secretary tim geithner to five sunday talk shows to declare tax rates on the wealthy are going up one way or another. >> if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off the fiscal cliff? >> it republicans are not willing to let rates go back up, and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, a the a time when the american economy was doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> while geithner was drawing a line in the sand, house speaker john boehner was busy trying to lift his jaw off the flar after geithner presented the president's debt reduction plans to him last week. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i have just never seen anything like it. >> yes, indeed, it seems that republicans are not quite sure what to make of the president taking a harder line across the bargaining table. >> you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is rol
to have you back, senator, to talk about something i know you're good on, that's the fiscal cliff. i want to have you on because i trust in you. thank you, kent conrad. >>> coming up, hot new evidence the republicans have learned nada, nothing, from the election they just lost. yesterday you saw the all-white republican chairmanships in the house of representatives. today's story, the marquee name for the republican party next year ken cuccinelli, a real winger. . wait until you catch his decisions on all kinds of issues affecting women, immigrants, everybody. this is the full monty of the right wing coming up in this election for governor of virginia. we'll be right back. right wing coming up in this victor! victor! i got your campbell's chunky soup. mom? who's mom? i'm the giants mascot. the giants don't have a mascot! ohhh! eat up! new jammin jerk chicken soup has tasty pieces of chicken with rice and beans. hmmm. for giant hunger! thanks mom! see ya! whoaa...oops! right wing coming up in this i'. grandma? hi sweetie! she operates the head. [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it
in washington. let me start tonight with this, with hope. i think we're getting somewhere with this fiscal cliff problem. number one, smart conservatives now say the republicans would face hell if they let this country go over the fiscal cliff. just to protect the top 2%. better to take the hit now, they argued, than in january with the world economy in turmoil and second recession coming. number two, john boehner, the speaker is claiming he's met obama's demand for higher taxes for the rich. that's good. he agreed in principle the rich must pay more. number three, there's talk for the republican leaders that they could vote to continue the tax cuts for the 98% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the
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. >> you know, the president has warned us about the dangers of going over the fiscal cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> the speaker's remarks riled the left and provoked this response from senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> with only a handful of legislative days left on the congress's calendar before the looming fiscal cliff becomes a raw reality, will the president and house gop find a way over the latest road black and back to the bargaining table? >> why did the white house decide to have this as their opening volley when they knew the response would be a negative one that they drew? >> was it hardball opening? yeah, of course it was. the question is, what's the counteroffer? >> i would imagine there has to -- tim geithner is too smart of a guy in this administration is filled with sm
. walking-around money. walking-around money. >>> talking about big cash, let's get to the fiscal cliff. some developing news this morning. "politico" hassen e an exclusiv report that president obama and representative boehner had a "curt" telephone conversation. speak speaker boehner says he wants to move his position on tax rates but the president won't budge. he told him, if he has an alternative plan, he ought to put that forward rather than focusing on entitlements. the white house will send tim geithner to capitol hill for a meeting. yesterday the president met with ceos including at&t, goldman sachs, coca-cola and caterpillar, many of whom said after the meeting they emerged hopeful a deal could be struck to avoid the fiscal cliff. in another meeting with middle-class americans, president obama said he believes the framework for a deal could be in place before christmas. >> and i'll go anywhere, and i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. now's the time for us to work on what we all agree to, which is let's keep middle-class
direction. host: and that was the new g.o.p. conference secretary voicing her thoughts on the fiscal cliff negotiations yesterday. and we want you to address the issue of what the g.o.p. is raising, which is address the spending problem. 202 is the area code for our numbers. that's our question this morning in this first segment of the "washington journal." you can also contact us via social media and email. you can make a comment on our facebook page, and finally send us a tweet. here is the hill newspaper from this morning. g.o.p. forget tax rates in talks on the deficit, let's look at the spending. the speaker's swift rejection of an idea floated by representative tom cole of oklahoma, a respected party strategist and former chair of the house g.o.p. campaign committee came as the republicans voiced increasing concerns over the debate of the so-called fiscal cliff. boehner said it's time for them to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. republicans complain that for all the talk of coming up with a balanced budget plan, he has made little effort to identify specif
post-election interrue. anticipate plenty of discussion about the counteroffer on the fiscal cliff. and the gop would avoid toxin creases for everyone including the 1%. and endorse $1.4 trillion in cuts and adjustments to medicare, social security and other mandatory programs. the white house says it does not pass the test of balance and sticks the middle class with the bill. nancy pelosi will file the discharge position that we talked about yesterday, and that would force a vote for the bush tax cuts. the new "washington post" pugh research poll say 58% of those asked say it would be the republicans fault if we go over the fiscal cliff. and that shows all this back and forth isn't doing house gop any good. we're back after the break. alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call
with business leaders again today to talk about the consequences of going over the fiscal cliff. he's also claiming to call on congressional leaders to make sure we raise the debt ceiling without contention. the white house making the case that extending the bush tax cuts for the middle class is directly connected to the health of our businesses. companies need to know consumers will be able to spend and in his first post-election interview president obama again rejected the house republican counteroffer that is on the table. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> let's hope he sticks to it. >> g.o.p. leaders aren't only dealing with the president and congressional democrats they're dealing with a split within their own ranks. more conservative republicans don't want party leaders to compromise anymore than they think they already have. even though the republican plan offers u
they know is wrong. as you know, they talk about the fiscal cliff. some people say it's a slope. somebody said it was a bungi jump. somebody said it was a skate board trip, down and then up and so forth. bottom line, i think, it's no way to govern. it is a giant mistake to have all of this in a pool of ambiguity, and as i understand it now, you would know more. i mean, it truly is a stalemate. they are not talking. >> now, you point out that it's the same player, and, i think, you'll agree player that is matter most are the president, speaker boehner. what do we know about the personal relationship that might illuminate what's going on right now? >> well, they started out last year when they were working on the debt ceiling, and they had what are calledded the merlot and nicorette's meetings. in other words, boehner would have a merlot, and obama would chew nicorette. >> you point outside in the book somehow when they took the official photo, both of those vanished. >> yes. they had iced tea there for obama. of course, boehner had his seg represent, and they put the cigarette in the ashtr
until a credible solution to the fiscal cliff has been announced." the house will not adjourn. not! but don't worry, he will be on to the next stage soon enough. it is kind of ironic, since, of course they adjourned today until next week. this is a wednesday. but anyway, that's bargaining is the next stage. and of course bargaining means that you hope to be able to compromise. you hope to be able to avoid the inevitable. the poster boy for this one is oklahoma senator tom coburn who said today that he would rather see tax rates go up than close loopholes because then he thinks he can get tax reform passed in the future. a little bit of wishful thinking. >> i know we have to raise revenue. i don't really care which way we do it. actually, i would rather see the rates go up than do it the other way because it gives us greater chance to reform the tax code and broaden the base in the future. >> jennifer: so he's not giving in. he's just bargaining now to see what he can get later. and then we've got the fourth
this morning begins in washington where fiscal cliff negotiations according to the "times" has "collapsed." at least for now. with less than a month until the deadline, who blinks first if anyone? >> goldman takes dell from a strength to a buy. is it time to look at the stock and maybe even other players in the beat up personal computer sector? >> manufacturing data out of china. not bad. 50.6. that's the highest in seven months. although shanghai again trades lower even europe's pmi improves a touch in november. first up, we're one month away from the fiscal cliff and so far the white house and congressional republicans are still in disagreement over how to reduce the deficit and avoid a raft of tax hikes and spending cuts. yesterday our own jim cramer and maria bartiromo were on "meet the press" and cramer had a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the
on the so-called fiscal cliff, and with congress and the president probably waiting till the last minute, we now have basketball thursdays here on "the cycle." score! a tip of the jersey to hall of fame coach steve smith of north carolina. with all the talk and posturing going on, mr. director, do you have our fancy animation on this? he says it's not ready yet. >> why not? >> we'll go back to our preseason graphic. we're calling this, depending on how we feel that day, either the fiscal cliff. boo. the fiscal slope. hmm. the fiscal fiesta, my personal favorite. or the fiscal follies. this is from the boston celtics' game last night. celtic big man kevin garnett was fouled by brooklyn net kris i was married to a kardashian for five minutes humphries. boston guard rajon rondo didn't like it. both humphries and rondo were kicked out with another net, gerald wallace. i hope the negotiations on the fiscal whatever we call it don't end up like that. are you listening, mr. boehner. >> this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult lead
% now and therefore avoid the fiscal cliff and put off for now the top 2%. and the question then, let the debt ceiling not take effect. a tax cut delayed i argue is a tax cut avoided. joining me with the republican defense highly tauted fan of the eagles, ed rendell and alex wagner of msnbc's "now." governor, i want you to read what's going on here. first speaker boehner defended the gop's tax proposal saying it does take a bite out of the rich but president obama held firm to tax rate hike on the wealthiest. let's listen to the back and forth. >> revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes. but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles, or the economy in any significant way. let's make sure that 98% of americans don't see it -- a single dime in tax
'm worried about the fiscal cliff in the same way i'm worried about martians. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal whatever it is. >> is this a rerun? >> still no progress as all sides jockey for position. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> speaker john boehner issued a downer offer yesterday. >> the white house quickly dismissed it. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> it is more of the same. >> it is not me being positive. it is the math. >> magic math. >> magic beans and fairy dust. >> president obama did win the election. >> me thinks somebody made him king. >> no. i don't think that's right. >> he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> are we that far apart? >> both sides want a deal. >> a matter of math. >> try to stay away from hypotheticals. >> it won't pass. >> discussions about unicorns. >> unicorns. >> they're imaginary beasts. >> magic beans. >> magic math. >> an enchanted universe. >> outrageous. >> the whole thing is going wacky. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> i don't envy the position the speaker is in. >> we're nowhere. ? you just m
boehner and house republican leaders talk about fiscal cliff negotiations. he says he is optimistic a deal can be reached with the president. >> morning, everyone. going over the fiscal cliff will hurt our economy and will her job creation in our country. republicans are committed to continuing to work with the president to come to an agreement to avert the so-called fiscal clef. one reason why we believe that we put revenue on the table as long as it is accompanied by serious spending cuts to avert a crisis. we believe this is the president's request for a balanced approach to this issue, and we are going to continue to work with the president to try to resolve this in a way that is fair for the american people. we all now that we have had the spending crisis coming at us like a freight train. it has to be dealt with. in order to try to come to an agreement, republicans are willing to put revenue on the table. it is time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem our country has. i am optimistic. we can continue to work together to avert this crisis, sooner
." today president obama again made clear there will be no deal to avert the so-called fiscal cliff without the rich paying a higher tax rate. got it? higher rate. in this interview on bloomberg tv, he made it. let's listen. >> the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlements that i'm prepared to make, that we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up, and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> there you heard it again, top rates have to go up and rates. and some republicans are saying that the gop will ultimately say uncle. conservative columnist byron york, a very smart guy wrote, quote, republicans will cave on the question of raising the tax rate for the highest income americans. the only question is whether they do so before or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff "new york times" column us david brooks describes it this way. republicans will be raising middle class tacks
for campaign style events on the fiscal cliff. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. so right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. >> speaker boehner said the president needs to get serious about what spending cuts he's willing to make. but that was news to senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him, okay? >> he's not alone. all this comes as treasury secretary tim geithner held separate meetings today with boehner, reid, nancy pelosi, and mitch mcconnell, and over at the white house spokesman jay carney said the debt ceiling should not be a pawn in any kind of fiscal gamesmanship. >> asking for a -- that a political price be paid in order for congress to do its job to ensure that the united states of america pays its bills and does not default for the first time in its history is deeply irresponsible.
. >> a while ago you said that conversations continue on the fiscal cliff, but a senior g.o.p. aide said there are no talks and no private communications of any kind, no emails going back and forth. if this is the case, how can you -- >> somebody on background told you that. can i just say in answer to your question, we do not schedule meetings through the press and we do not negotiate through the press. we do not give the press our proposals before we give them to the republicans. we do not go to meetings with proposals and leak them afterwards and leak them to the press. that's not the way we are operating here. conversations continue at different levels among different groups whether there are emails exchanged at this moment, i cannot say but there are conversations taking place. the president met with scores of lawmakers last night and had conversations and i'm not going to get into the details of the conversations. inconceivable to me that there wasn't meaning of the fiscal cliff. >> watch all of this at c-span dorgan take you live of the lighting 2012 capitol lighting christmas tre
to garner public support and back republicans into a corner as fiscal cliff negotiations continue. tim geithner went up to the hill yesterday and laid out the president's offer. this is what it looks like. the goal is to get to $1.6 trillion in revenue. letting the tax cuts expire for the top 2% and then raise capital gains. that would bring in $196 billion. and then the tax code over overhaul, and extension of unemployment benefits and more stimulus spending. republicans for their part dismiss the offer immediately calling it unbalanced, and unreasonable. so the question is what kind of leverage do republicans have at this point? talking points memo notes that they do have control over whether or not we raise the debt ceiling which is something we have to do in the next few weeks or so. while it does not factor into the mass that is considered right now it does give house speaker john boehner program cuts like entitlement cuts back into the conversation. we're back with the show stay with us. as i looked out across the battlefield at antietam. i saw the future of one great nation. but
before going off a cliff. >> the political theater over the fiscal cliff. >> mr. obama sends his chief negotiator. >> treasury secretary tim geithner. >> who was on capitol hill right now. >> reaching out to capitol hill. >> the push is on to get a deal. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> literally no progress. >> bad news, bad news, bad news. >> this is the moment of posturing. >> a lot of posturing. >> until we hear good news. >> the framework of the deal is beginning to emerge. >> i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. >> we have a debt crisis. >> i'll do anywhere and do whatever it takes. >> all eyes on the white house. >> they're going to get right up to cliff on new year's eve. we're all going to be hugging cliff. >> it's like when a fish show starts. the crowd -- >> i hope nobody catches that reference. >> all eyes on the white house. >> together again. >> what's his name? >> table for two. >> don't help me, don't help me. >> mr. romney goes to washington. >> mitt romney makes his way to the white house. >> the political power lunch of 2012. >> it's n
with each leader this morning to talk about the fiscal cliff or slope or curve. but whatever you call it, politico's front page headline reads, fiscal cliff deal emerging. it hashes out the flame woframe agreement including $400 billion in cuts to entitlements. but how close are they really? depends on who you ask. >> what's going on between the decision makers is little to nothing. >> you can actually now see what the contours of the deal look like. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to overt this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> we will not negotiate the end of medicare. i don't know what it is with these republicans. >> it's safer if you're on the progressive end of the political spectrum to go over the fiscal cliff than it is to agree to some of the things they're talking about. >> ruth, where do you stand, deal or no deal? >> not who deal, but who are more pessimistic. the clock is really ticking. about ten legislative days left in the year. outlines are there but the willingness to do it and the ability to get it done in time, i'm more disappointed than
's happened over the last couple of weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious, as well. >> all right. so once again, here are the cliff notes right here. republicans on the hill are demanding trillions of dollars worth of debt reduction. that's pretty much fine with democrats who say the wealthy should foot the bill in the form of higher tax rates. and therein lies the catch because the republicans want the savings of federal spending cuts. that dispute blocking efforts to keep rates from rising on everyone. as scheduled on january 1st. this is a so-called fiscal cliff. january 1st. our news makers representative jim clyburn of south carolina, number three democrat in the house of representatives and number one i'm sure to a lot of people. hello. how are you? >> hey, don. thank you so much for having me. >> thanks for coming on. is speaker boehner right, though? as the clock is ticking, ticking toward january 1st, the talks haven't progressed in two weeks. is he right? >> well, i
and speaker of the house john boehner both hint that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is on the way. possibly in time for santa. i asked republican john cornyn whether he thinks that is a reality. >>> and governor romney sits down with the president since the election, actually since the debates. does this do either of them any good? rick santorum is outfront. and julian assange is outfront to answer critics and our questions tonight. let's go "outfront." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight, an early christmas miracle. or at least the glimmer of one today. barack obama bringing glad tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> my hope is to get this done before christmas. i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those presents. no smile from either one of t
up with one-time rival mitt romney for lunch at white house. could a solution to the fiscal cliff be on the menu? live report from washington straight ahead. >> plus this -- stunning video out of syria, rebels cheer after a military helicopter is shot down. what does it mean for the united states? >>> drones. we know the military uses them. well, get ready for drones possibly buzzing your house. >>> and forget steroids. adderall is the new p.e.d. and four nfl players are suspended. >>> cup of joe, only one question left. something you would buy? >> no, not at all. >> "newsroom" starts now. >> good morning to you. thank you so much for being with me. i'm carol costello. we begin in washington today where president obama will play host to mitt romney this afternoon andn what could be one of the most anticipated meals in the nation's capital since thanksgiving. white house correspondent dan lothian joins me now. so, i don't know. i would love to be a fly on the wall. wouldn't you? >> no cameras allowed inside for this lunch. this is something the president said he wanted to do in hi
with the fiscal cliff and there's hot rhetoric to go around. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue. >> in order for us to raise the amount of revenue that's needed just by closing deductions and loopholes for high earners we'd have to, for example, eliminate or severely cap the char itible deduction. >> an obsession to raise taxes not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is doing something about the entitlements, taking on the wasteful spending in washington. >> and meantime, "the new york times" jonathan wiseman reports behind the scene republican leaders are considering the president's plan to extend middle class tax cuts now an address the debt and spending in the new year. here's republican senator tom coburn on "morning joe." >> actually, i would rather see the rates go up than the other way and greater chance to broaden the base in the future. >> do something, a down payment on cuts, on investments and revenue this year. and then in the
to drive the economy off the fiscal cliff this january. you might call this thelma and louise economics. right off the cliff. ♪ >> joining me now, senator feldma. >> great to talk to you. >> senator, you've been the leader on how the democrats should be approaching the so-called off the cliff drama and i just want to play something you said on july 16th at the brookings institute. let's listen to that. >> we can't get a good deal, a balanced deal that calls on the wealthy to pay their fair share, when i will absolutely continue this debate into 2013. >> after that, senator mcconnell called that thelma and louise economics. tell us why this cliff is not as disastrous a cliff to go off? >> first of all, no one wants to go off any cliff or hill or slope. there is a responsible way to revolve this. but if we take a bad deal and say that all of the nation's fiscal problems are to be balanced on the back of middle class families and the wealthy don't participate, that's a bad deal we cannot and should not live within this country. >> shortly before your public comments about this this past
: lawmakers now have exactly one month to strike a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. tax hikes affecting nearly all americans and across the board spending cuts set to kick in at the end of the year. so far both republicans and democrats are digging in on their demands and neither is putting forth a plan. >> i'm willing to move forward in good faith. our original framework still stands. instead of raising tax rates, we can produce similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. that's far better for the economy. >> the clock is ticking. the year is ending. it's really important with tax legislation for it to happen now. we're calling upon the republican leadership in the house to bring this legislation to the floor next week. >> arthel: let's bring in steve centanni with more. >> as you can see, the two sides are taking strong stands on principle, but aren't really getting any closer to a compromise as we speed toward that fiscal cliff. the president hit the road appearing at a pennsylvania toy factory yesterday and appealing for a balanced approach, inc
. >>> with the fiscal cliff ticking, friendly territory that got him re-elected. heading to the pennsylvania suburbs with a campaign-style sales pitch to rally support for his proposals. more crucial developments in the middle east where egyptian leaders push a new constitution. >>> and who do you think had the better lunch on thursday? these guys or this guy? joe biden takes costco by storm. does he do anything else? good morning from washington. it's friday, november 30, 2012, and this is "the daily rundown. i'm chris cillizza in today for chuck todd. the president hits the road today to settle his proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff at a toy factory in the pennsylvania suburbs. the president's opening budget bid landed with a thud on the republican side of capitol hill. after meeting with the president's top negotiator treasury secretary tim geithner, some republicans are calling the white house offer a joke. that's a quote, and a fantasy. that's also a quote. leaving the talks in a familiar place, stalemate. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the hou
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